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  1. stumbler

    stumbler Porn Star

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    What I really like about this forum is what people say is in black and white, well blue and white actually and it remains there for everyone to see from then on.

    And since the people who frequent this place can read they can also see what's going on and who has reasonable and logical arguments and who only has lies, insults, and simple responses from simple minds.
     
  2. stumbler

    stumbler Porn Star

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    I've seen a couple stories indicating Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is going to crack down hard on those that opposed him and that may be true. But what is also true is that since Iran is also a democracy he might not survive the political struggle long enough to actually carry out his plans.

    Amid Iran Protests, Rumors Of Power Struggle

    by Mary Louise Kelly


    Rumors are swirling of a power struggle unfolding within Iran's ruling elite, amounting to a direct and unprecedented challenge to the authority of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.



    The unrest is raising questions as to whether the supreme leader will remain supreme once the current crisis passes.


    Unprecedented Chants At Protests
    From the streets of Tehran rose voices that would have been unthinkable just a few weeks ago. Amateur video posted on YouTube showed demonstrators throwing rocks and chanting in Farsi, "This coup d'etat government must resign" and "Death to the dictator," an apparent reference to Khamenei.


    The chants represent the end of an era, says Abbas Milani, head of the Iran studies program at Stanford University.


    "Khamenei has now been defied openly. Khamenei has been called a liar," Milani says. "And the thing that makes this time different is that this time important elements of the establishment are with the people.
    "Never before has there been such a breach within the pillars of the establishment."


    Milani says he believes Khamenei will never regain the mantle of authority he once had, regardless of the final outcome of the election.
    "It used to be said, not long ago, that when the spiritual leader talks, his words are ... end of discussion and everybody folds their hands and accepts what he says," he says. "Not anymore."


    Rumors Of Rafsanjani's Strategy
    Khamenei has betrayed no sign that he feels his leadership is threatened. He appeared on state television Wednesday, vowing his government will not back down.


    "Neither the system nor the people will give in to pressures at any price," he said.


    Powerful forces are aligning against Khamenei, however, and not just demonstrators on the streets.


    Karim Sadjadpour of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says there are reports from the holy city of Qum that former President Hashemi Rafsanjani is mounting a campaign to topple the supreme leader.


    The reports say "that Rafsanjani has been going to Qum to try to kind of lobby these senior grand ayatollahs within the Assembly of Experts," he says.


    The Assembly of Experts chooses and oversees the supreme leader. Its leader: Rafsanjani.


    Reliance On Khamenei
    Still, even with that kind of clout, Sadjadpour says Rafsanjani is fighting an uphill battle.


    "He hasn't been able to assemble a majority yet," Sadjadpour says. "And it's not because these grand ayatollahs necessarily respect Ayatollah Khamenei or have a great affinity for him.


    "But they fear the consequences of ... agitating against Khamenei. And they're reliant on Khamenei, economically."


    There's another factor working in Khamenei's favor: the loyalty he commands from the country's security forces. Sadjadpour says you underestimate them at your peril.


    "I've been to these protests before in Tehran. These guys can be quite terrifying," he says. "I'm talking about kind of the most militant of the Basiji militia — I would describe them as a cross between the Hell's Angels and al-Qaida."


    Situation Opaque
    Then again, Stanford's Milani and others say there are reports of splits within Iran's security forces, with some perhaps more loyal to Rafsanjani than to Khamenei.


    The state of the security forces, like so much else in Iran, is unclear. Rumors circulate about everything from rifts within the Revolutionary Guard to the size of street protests to power struggles among Iran's powerful mullahs. But the rumors are impossible to verify from the outside.



    "We know so little about that country," says Nicholas Burns, the State Department's top negotiator on Iran during the Bush administration. For "30 years (there have been) no businesspeople there — Americans. No journalists there. No diplomats there," he says. "We're peering into a very murky situation."


    Burns might have added no spies there or, at least, far too few to make sense of such a complicated country.


    U.S. spy agencies are believed to have few reliable assets on the ground to try to pierce the opaqueness of Iranian politics and the factions now believed to be struggling for power.


    *not_secure_link*www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105871263
     
  3. Whitey44

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  4. stumbler

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    Well I'd have to say Horsy's done it again. I had to laugh at that one too Whitey.:excited:
     
  5. deidre79

    deidre79 Supertzar

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    don't change your opinion now? like O? if you do? fool yourself, not me. :kiss:
     
  6. Whitey44

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    Yes, Horsey hit the nail right on the head, again! ;)

    His influences in his work are from MAD Magazine and Playboy Magazine.
     
  7. stumbler

    stumbler Porn Star

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    Here's some speculation I ran onto today that I thought was kind of interesting.

    *not_secure_link*www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/iran-uprising-live-bloggi_n_220598.html
     
  8. tenguy

    tenguy Reasoned voice of XNXX

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    Wow , Stumbles quoting Huffy. Will wonders ever cease??

    In the meantime:

     
  9. stumbler

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    See I told you two or three days ago when you posted the Ayatollah's speech demanding protests to stop that he wasn't an all powerful dictator and the protesters would ignore him and continue to protest.

    But did you see this? I doubt you will argue with this source tenguy.

    Analysis: Dissension in the ranks



    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's Friday sermon, which called for an end to mass protests contesting the outcome of last week's presidential elections and which carried an implicit threat of "bloodshed and chaos" if they continued, has raised the stakes in the ongoing standoff between the government and opposition in Iran.

    The stage may now be set for a violent showdown. Past experience, however, raises questions whether the security forces can be uniformly relied on to implement an order to violently quash the protests, and whether such an order could in fact spark unrest within the ranks of the security forces that could have significant implications for the future stability of the regime.



    *not_secure_link*www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1245184882131
     
  10. tenguy

    tenguy Reasoned voice of XNXX

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    Yep, this makes me recall the riots in Miami. after the 2000 election, where thousands protested in the streets and hundreds were arrested.

    Don't forget the dozens who died at the hands of Bush's henchmen.

    What I'd give to live in a free society like Iran.

    Fucktard.
     
  11. stumbler

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    Just can't stand it can you tenguy. And here Distant Lover was just complementing you on another thread for being so intelligent and civil. He will be so disappointed but don't worry you'll still have Deidre on your side. Well until you disagree with her and she attacks you again.
     
  12. tenguy

    tenguy Reasoned voice of XNXX

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    She has more class than you ever had. She is honest, doesn't play to the crowd, something you will never comprehend.
     
  13. stumbler

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    Here's some more from the live blog on Huffington Post which has been reporting continuously on developments in Iran since the beginning of the protests.

     
  14. tenguy

    tenguy Reasoned voice of XNXX

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    And here's balanced well written objective of some of the latest developments in Iran with some significant details I haven't seen anywhere else.

    For instance we haven't heard much about members of the security force also being killed during the protests. Or that several members of the Iranian Parliament are apparently opposing Ahmadinejad and those divisions are being reported in the Iranian press. But I suppose its no surprise that Ahmadinehad is trying to blame President Obama for the unrest.

    What may be most significant, however, are the words of Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, an Iranian religious leader, who said; "If Iranians cannot talk about their legitimate rights at peaceful gatherings and are instead suppressed, complexities will build up which could possibly uproot the foundations of the government, no matter how powerful," he said in a statement sent to the AFP news agency."


    *not_secure_link*english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/2009625155627616777.html
     
  16. Whitey44

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    See, President Obama may very well have helped change Iran by just saying a few words. Hardly meddling at all really. None of that "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran stuff" and "talking with preconditions". ;)
     
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  17. tenguy

    tenguy Reasoned voice of XNXX

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    Just in from Reuters:

    Iranian cleric says "rioters" should be executed

    *not_secure_link*www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55F54520090626

    Of course they will kill them in a democratic way.
     
  18. tenguy

    tenguy Reasoned voice of XNXX

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    It is interesting that you quote the Great Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, he spent 6 years (1997 to 2003) under house arrest for his outspoken rhetoric against the sham of the Iranian "democracy". His recent comments on the June12th "free and honest" election, will probably bring even harsher reactions from the Council of Experts.
     
  19. tenguy

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    More on Iran's "democratic" system of allowing debate on political issues. From our most quoted news source.

    *not_secure_link*english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/200962533640849336.html

     
  20. Texas Jammer

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    I have no love for obama, in fact quite the opposite, but even I can't see that he has said anything wrong. Now, if he chooses to back down then he simply proves his cowardice.